Friday, December 22, 2006

Scarborough Country: Bush Is Dangerous and Delusional

Via Crooks and Liars, here's Joe Scarborough and Mike Barnicle on just how crazy and isolated they think Preznut Bush has become:

Stop the presses. George W. Bush says America is not winning the war. Yes, those words coming from the man who‘s decided the only way to turn things around in Iraq is by sending in more troop, Despite being told by the Joint Chiefs, Colin Powell and the man running the Iraq war, General Abizaid, that sending more troops to Iraq would only get more Americans killed. Perhaps it was no coincidence that on the same day that Mr. Bush ignored his top generals‘ advice, General John Abizaid abruptly quit, announcing he would step down soon.

Now, seeming to confirm his opponent‘s worst suspicions that this president does not value the opinions of those with whom he disagrees, Mr. Bush has now decided to go it alone in Iraq against the wishes of his allies, against the desires of his fellow countrymen, and yes, even against the advice of his own generals.

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SCARBOROUGH: When all of his generals abandon him, when the Joint Chiefs abandon him, the admirals abandon him, when John Abizaid abandons him, when Colin Powell abandons him, everybody abandons him, he‘s standing alone! He just doesn‘t seem to have any credibility. And this is extraordinarily disturbing to me, as a guy who supported this war and supported this president twice.

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SCARBOROUGH: I want you, if you will, to imagine, how would Republicans have responded if President Bill Clinton had ignored the advice of all of his Joint Chiefs, his top general in the war zone, his former secretary of state, and 80 percent of Americans? Is it not a stretch to say that many Republicans would have considered impeachment proceedings against Bill Clinton if this situation were identical?

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SCARBOROUGH: Well, Mike Barnicle, as you know, I supported this war and I supported this man twice for president, and yet I‘m growing more disturbed every night by how isolated George W. Bush has become. All the Joint Chiefs oppose his plan for Iraq. His lead general opposes his plan in Iraq, and now he‘s going to quit because Bush has ignored him. Colin Powell opposes his plan in Iraq. And an “L.A. Times” poll is showing that only 12 percent of Americans support his plan for more troops in Iraq. Shouldn‘t more Americans be disturbed at this unprecedented example of a White House that‘s in—and you can only call it this—a bunker mentality?

MIKE BARNICLE, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Well, I think, Joe, that more Americans ought to be truly depressed by what they saw today on TV, the latest press conference. We have a president of the United States who is isolated. He‘s delusional. He is stubborn. He has had one intervention that clearly didn‘t work, the Baker-Hamilton report. He is clearly in need of another intervention.

You don‘t have to be von Clausewitz to figure out that urban warfare in the city of Baghdad, comparably the size of New York City, a tremendously hostile environment now, will become even more hostile with the introduction of more American troops. It will do very little, if nothing, to lessen the level of violence in Baghdad. The only...

SCARBOROUGH: And you‘re just going more—you‘re only going to get more American kids killed...

(CROSSTALK)

BARNICLE: You‘re going to get more Americans both killed and captured. And the only services that we will have ended up improving in Baghdad are funeral services.

SCARBOROUGH: No doubt. And Mike, I want you—once again, I want to put this “L.A. Times” poll up again just briefly. Look at these numbers again. Only 12 percent of Americans support this president‘s plan to send more troops to Iraq. His Joint Chiefs all oppose him. General Abizaid opposes him. Mike, let me ask you, historically, has a president ever been so alone in his determination to fight a war, even when his generals and the American public oppose it? I mean, there‘s not a more significant decision a president makes than war.

BARNICLE: You know, the last...

SCARBOROUGH: Have you ever known of any president being this alone?

BARNICLE: No. The last great—the most recent epic that this country has been through, a cultural and social epic that shattered the country, Vietnam, the president of the United States, Lyndon Johnson, as obstinate as he was for as long as he was, going down to the White House Situation Room, monitoring bombing runs, both strategic and tactical bombing runs over North Vietnam and South Vietnam, at least finally, at the end, toward the end, he listened to Clark Clifford and withdrew, withdrew himself from the presidency, a noble gesture in retrospect.

This president—this is dangerously close to a delusion that is going to result in death and carnage for years to come in the Middle East, too many Americans and too many people in the Middle East.

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SCARBOROUGH: Mike Barnicle, do you take any comfort from the president finally admitting we‘re not winning in Iraq, or are you disturbed that it took him so long?

BARNICLE: Joe, I don‘t think he knows what he‘s saying. I don‘t think he comprehends what he‘s saying. I don‘t think...

SCARBOROUGH: You really think he is delusional?

BARNICLE: I do. I don‘t think he could explain to us tonight what he meant by what he said today. At one point, he said we‘re not winning, but at another point, he said, you know, we‘re going to win a victory there. He can‘t define victory.

The deaths in this war right now, at this stage in our life, our political life, our national life, and especially if there‘s a surge in troops in Baghdad—the deaths of American soldiers verges now on the criminal. And I don‘t think that‘s too strong a statement. It verges on the criminal. There‘s no plan. There‘s only this poppycock that you get from the president of the United States, who says one thing one moment, another thing the next moment, and he can‘t figure out what he is saying.

SCARBOROUGH: So what‘s going on there, Mike?

BARNICLE: What is going on there? I think you have a president totally isolated from reality, totally delusional, kind of paranoid, figuring that everyone‘s against him, including his own Joint Chiefs of Staff, figuring that history 30, 40 years from now is going to prove him correct. And he‘s going to have to weather this storm in the interim. He‘s going to have to take the abuse, look at the polls plummeting down to 5 and 4 percent. He‘s going to have to live and endure the casualties, which clearly affect him. Clearly affect him. That‘s the humanizing aspect of George Bush today. But I think he‘s intent on riding out this storm, thinking that somewhere down the road, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., 30 or 40 years from now, that that version of Arthur Schlesinger will say he saw it correctly when nobody else did.

If the oversight hearings the Dems are about to hold on the Iraq pre-war intel, the war funding, the troop deployments, etc. uncover ANY malfeasance by this administration, Scarborough looks like he will be ready to call for the impeachment of the man he supported twice for president.

That's pretty extraordinary.

All but the most ardent and delusional of Bush supporters have left this president behind. He's crazy, he's stupid, he's stubborn and he is clearly in over his head. It's gratifying to see a former supporter like Joey Scar come around and treat Bush the way he would have treated Clinton if the tables had been turned. It gives me hope for the future of the Republic that at least one prominent conservative cable commentator can put country and principle above party.

Just for old times sake, though, why did Joey Scar and the other wingnuts want to impeach Clinton anyway?

Oh, yeah - lying about blowjobs and thong bikinis.

Seems like small peanuts compared to the current guy's crimes.

And I say that as a guy who thinks both Clintons are unprincipled sleazeballs.

Comments:
"Dangerous and delusional" - right on both counts. But there's no way the cowards in congress will impeach this guy. All the dems want to do is kick up the dirt from now until 2008.

I wish someone had introduced Bush to Paris Hilton and her camcorder years ago. Then maybe we could impeach him.
 
I agree with Scarborough's assessment, but the skeptic in me says that the reasoning is more subtle. As I (and you) mentioned back a few posts, Bush holds 2008 in his hands. He's about to take the Republican down the path to permanent minority for the second time in a hundred years, and the rightist pundits are getting alarmed.
 
abi, let's see what comes out of the some of the oversight hearings Dems are going to hold on Iraq. I bet they uncover some interesting 9and perhaps criminal) stuff. I'm not saying Bush is going to get impeached, but i wouldn't be surprised to find Cheney on the defensive over his role in twisting the pre-war intel to his own ends and when the administration starts ducking subpoenas, it's going to look to the majority of the American people that these guys are hiding something.

kvatch, you're absolutely right about Joey Scar's motivations. Nonetheless, at least he's criticizing the admin and calling the crazies what they are - crazy. So many of the FOX News/NRO apologists are still defending the White House and the Preznut and trying to make it sound like Preznut's critics are the crazy people.
 
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