Sunday, January 14, 2007
Prince Harry Readies For Iraq Deployment...
...while the Bush twins drink, suck and snort their way through North and South America:
Yeah, Harry has drinking and tabloid issues of his own. And yeah, it's not a done deal that he's going.
But at least he's got the guts to put his ass on the line for his government's war. He WANTS to go. Just the way Prince Andrew WANTED to go fight the Falklands war.
Other than John McCain's kid and Duncan Hunter's kid, I can't think of one other war supporter who has a family member either willing to go to the war, already there, or already back.
If this war is SO important and failure would be so catastrophic, why aren't the Bush twins and the Lieberman children and grandchildren and Jonah Goldberg and Tom Friedman and the rest of the chickenhawk motherfucker brigade over in Iraq fighting their war.
Oh, yeah, I know why - because they're COWARDS who only want to engage in wars that OTHER PEOPLE fight.
LONDON - A British newspaper reported Sunday that Prince Harry was scheduled to begin final training for deployment to Iraq with his army regiment, but the Defense Ministry said no decision had been made on whether he would be deployed.
The News of the World said the 22-year-old prince, who is third in line to the throne, would take part in a two-day pre-deployment course which includes instruction in basic Arabic phrases.
Harry, known as “Cornet Wales” by his Blues and Royals regiment, has trained to command 11 soldiers and four Scimitar tanks.
Yeah, Harry has drinking and tabloid issues of his own. And yeah, it's not a done deal that he's going.
But at least he's got the guts to put his ass on the line for his government's war. He WANTS to go. Just the way Prince Andrew WANTED to go fight the Falklands war.
Other than John McCain's kid and Duncan Hunter's kid, I can't think of one other war supporter who has a family member either willing to go to the war, already there, or already back.
If this war is SO important and failure would be so catastrophic, why aren't the Bush twins and the Lieberman children and grandchildren and Jonah Goldberg and Tom Friedman and the rest of the chickenhawk motherfucker brigade over in Iraq fighting their war.
Oh, yeah, I know why - because they're COWARDS who only want to engage in wars that OTHER PEOPLE fight.
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reality, you wrote:
"If this war is SO important and failure would be so catastrophic, why aren't the Bush twins and the Lieberman children and grandchildren and Jonah Goldberg and Tom Friedman and the rest of the chickenhawk motherfucker brigade over in Iraq fighting their war."
Because we have a volunteer military and if those people aren't volunteering they don't have to worry about being dragooned into service.
Perhaps the reasons the Bush twins aren't volunteering are the same as yours.
Meanwhile, I haven't seen the Bush twins encouraging anyone to enlist or selling War Bonds. They're private citizens who have the same rights as you and me, which includes the right to do something other than enlist in the military.
You ranted:
"Oh, yeah, I know why - because they're COWARDS who only want to engage in wars that OTHER PEOPLE fight."
Unless you want to convert the US into ancient Sparta, where everyone was a soldier, or modern Israel, where practically everyone serves in the IDF, you'll have to accept the reality that it's always OTHER PEOPLE who fight wars.
"If this war is SO important and failure would be so catastrophic, why aren't the Bush twins and the Lieberman children and grandchildren and Jonah Goldberg and Tom Friedman and the rest of the chickenhawk motherfucker brigade over in Iraq fighting their war."
Because we have a volunteer military and if those people aren't volunteering they don't have to worry about being dragooned into service.
Perhaps the reasons the Bush twins aren't volunteering are the same as yours.
Meanwhile, I haven't seen the Bush twins encouraging anyone to enlist or selling War Bonds. They're private citizens who have the same rights as you and me, which includes the right to do something other than enlist in the military.
You ranted:
"Oh, yeah, I know why - because they're COWARDS who only want to engage in wars that OTHER PEOPLE fight."
Unless you want to convert the US into ancient Sparta, where everyone was a soldier, or modern Israel, where practically everyone serves in the IDF, you'll have to accept the reality that it's always OTHER PEOPLE who fight wars.
you'll have to accept the reality that it's always OTHER PEOPLE who fight wars.
Total disconnect.
It isn't OTHER people, it is people, real people like you and me who fight the war.
Total disconnect.
It isn't OTHER people, it is people, real people like you and me who fight the war.
The n_s argument reduces to "I can support laws that reduce you to riding a bicycle to save energy, while I ride around in my 3-ton, 4mpg SUV, assuming I can afford it."
Some people couldn't understand the word 'humanity' if it bit them in the ass.
Some people couldn't understand the word 'humanity' if it bit them in the ass.
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: 3:48 AM
kicksiron, you wrote:
"The n_s argument reduces to "I can support laws that reduce you to riding a bicycle to save energy, while I ride around in my 3-ton, 4mpg SUV, assuming I can afford it.""
Sorry, but the position noted in the preceding paragraph is one taken by Democrats every day.
Meanhwile, I ride the subway and own a high-mileage vehicle.
Moreover, because we have a volunteer military, your argument is no more than hot air. Your argument reduces to forcing people to conform. Our current practice regarding military service is based on personal choice.
"The n_s argument reduces to "I can support laws that reduce you to riding a bicycle to save energy, while I ride around in my 3-ton, 4mpg SUV, assuming I can afford it.""
Sorry, but the position noted in the preceding paragraph is one taken by Democrats every day.
Meanhwile, I ride the subway and own a high-mileage vehicle.
Moreover, because we have a volunteer military, your argument is no more than hot air. Your argument reduces to forcing people to conform. Our current practice regarding military service is based on personal choice.
Kicksiron, a very perceptive point you have made.
PT, you'll note also that the preznut, when asked what Americans could do to support the war, said "They should go shopping." Another disconnect. It must be a wingnuttia thing. I guess it happens when a person spends so much time with his/her head up his/her ass.
cartledge, I suspect you are right. He would certainly be a great target. I just find it encouraging that he WANTS to go because he doesn't think he's special and better than the rest of his company.
PT, you'll note also that the preznut, when asked what Americans could do to support the war, said "They should go shopping." Another disconnect. It must be a wingnuttia thing. I guess it happens when a person spends so much time with his/her head up his/her ass.
cartledge, I suspect you are right. He would certainly be a great target. I just find it encouraging that he WANTS to go because he doesn't think he's special and better than the rest of his company.
praguetwin, you wrote:
"It isn't OTHER people, it is people, real people like you and me who fight the war."
You are quite wrong. It is not "you" or "me", because there is no question that "you" will not volunteer for this war and it is not "me" because several months ago the Army recruiters told me I was 2FO -- Too F-in' Old to enlist.
As I said, it is and will be "Other People."
"It isn't OTHER people, it is people, real people like you and me who fight the war."
You are quite wrong. It is not "you" or "me", because there is no question that "you" will not volunteer for this war and it is not "me" because several months ago the Army recruiters told me I was 2FO -- Too F-in' Old to enlist.
As I said, it is and will be "Other People."
I'm too old too, if only barely. Why should I enlist for a war that I oppose? (Warning, rhetorical question).
What I meant is that it isn't "other people" in the way we think of civilians who get bombed. No, not you and me, but people just the same. I just don't look at them as other people, I look at them as people, just like you and me, even if they aren't actually you or me.
What I meant is that it isn't "other people" in the way we think of civilians who get bombed. No, not you and me, but people just the same. I just don't look at them as other people, I look at them as people, just like you and me, even if they aren't actually you or me.
Here are the enlistment ages for the various armed services, PT:
Active Army - 42
Army Reserves - 42
Active Air Force - 27
Air Force Reserve - 34
Active Navy - 34
Naval Reserves - 39
Active Marines - 28
Marine Corps Reserve - 29
Active and Reserve Coast Guard - 27
You'll note, pt, that Senator Joe Lieberman's kids are younger than the enlistment age for both the Active Army and the Army Reserve.
If Holy Joe Lieberman thinks surging troops in Iraq is so important, why does he not convince his own children to enlist?
Oh yeah, I know why - cuz' he doesn't think his kids should fight his war for him. He wants OTHER PEOPLE'S kids to fight it for him.
He is conscienceless coward and a chickenhawk motherfucker with blood on his hands - other people's blood.
If you didn't see Chuck Hagel slap him down on the Meet the Press yesterday, you should take a look at it. It's really worth it.
Active Army - 42
Army Reserves - 42
Active Air Force - 27
Air Force Reserve - 34
Active Navy - 34
Naval Reserves - 39
Active Marines - 28
Marine Corps Reserve - 29
Active and Reserve Coast Guard - 27
You'll note, pt, that Senator Joe Lieberman's kids are younger than the enlistment age for both the Active Army and the Army Reserve.
If Holy Joe Lieberman thinks surging troops in Iraq is so important, why does he not convince his own children to enlist?
Oh yeah, I know why - cuz' he doesn't think his kids should fight his war for him. He wants OTHER PEOPLE'S kids to fight it for him.
He is conscienceless coward and a chickenhawk motherfucker with blood on his hands - other people's blood.
If you didn't see Chuck Hagel slap him down on the Meet the Press yesterday, you should take a look at it. It's really worth it.
reality, you wrote:
"If Holy Joe Lieberman thinks surging troops in Iraq is so important, why does he not convince his own children to enlist?"
Perhaps he tried and they all said "No."
What of it? At this point everyone in the military said "Yes".
As for your listing of age limits for each arm of the military, you forgot some important information.
Apparently you didn't talk to the recruiters about what it takes to pass the military physical. No doubt there are lots of people near the maximum ages who are fit for induction. But plenty are not.
A gung ho recruit with high blood pressure requiring medication won't make the cut. I don't think asthmatics get to join the team either.
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"If Holy Joe Lieberman thinks surging troops in Iraq is so important, why does he not convince his own children to enlist?"
Perhaps he tried and they all said "No."
What of it? At this point everyone in the military said "Yes".
As for your listing of age limits for each arm of the military, you forgot some important information.
Apparently you didn't talk to the recruiters about what it takes to pass the military physical. No doubt there are lots of people near the maximum ages who are fit for induction. But plenty are not.
A gung ho recruit with high blood pressure requiring medication won't make the cut. I don't think asthmatics get to join the team either.
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