reality-based educator

Yeah, might as well pack up and go home. So is Iran supplying Al-Qaeda with these super I.E.D.s or... wait, I am confused. :)

I guess that makes me a good American
 

reality, you wrote:

"Hey, that should do it! Now the insurgency in Iraq is over! Killing the top Iraqi Al Qaeda guy's aide and wounding the top Iraqi Al Qaeda guy himself means we win right?"

You're the only person on the planet uttering this silly claim.

You never heard any nonsense like this from the Bush administration or our military leaders, so why are you mocking a statement that was never made?

You added:

"I mean, didn't it work that way when we killed Saddam's sons? Or when we captured Saddam? Or when we killed Zarqawi?"

YOu were the guy who twisted himself in knots because the entire US military wasn't sent to the middle east to kill osama.

Based on your sarcasm, perhaps now you understand that even if osama is killed today his death won't mean much in the battle against muslim terrorism.
 

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no-slappz, you wrote:

so why are you mocking a statement that was never made?

Aaaahhh, the expert on statements that were never made casts his judgement. How amusing. Still, at least you seem to have finally understood the word 'statement'.

reality, maybe you should frame this comment and put it somewhere at home for those days when you need to raise a laugh (God knows you need it with illiterate fools like no_slappz around).
 

No, it was when the mission was accomplished, or when they had the election, or when they wrote the constitution, or when they picked the guys who wrote the constitution, or when the knocked over the statue, or when they found Sadaam, or when the insurgency was winding down, or when they welcomed us with flowers, or when Iraqi oil paid for the whole thing, or when they executed Sadaam, or when they found one of the many, many number 2 al Queda guys that the whole thing turned around into the successful mission it is today.

Thank heaven we've got President Bush in the White House to succeed in Iraq and veto that commie card-check those union bastards are trying to shove down our throats.
 

korova, how are things in your little land of anti-Semitism?
 

rbe, when the bits of good news are so few and far between, you've got to make the most of them. ;-)
 

no_slappz, you wrote:

korova, how are things in your little land of anti-Semitism?

Slander, eh? That's quite a serious charge you've made. Perhaps you would like to provide some evidence? Otherwise, go back to your fascist little paradise.
 

korova, you know that because you have been critical of Israeli policy in the past, that makes you a brownshirt anti-Semite. That's how it works. You have to accept everything Israel does 100% or you hate Jewish people and are a secret member of the Hitler youth.

That's a good list of Accomplished Missions, nyc. By that account, we ought to have won the Iraq war 20 times over already. And yet here we are, extending the tours of 21,500 troops (that's what the troop "surge" actually is - an extension of duty for those already there and those about to go) - just enough force to keep a lid on the place for a little while (but not permanently) and make it look like the preznut is actually doing something to win the war.

abi, to be fair, it was the Iraqi gov't that was bragging about the killing. The U.S. military says they don't think it happened. But the U.S. military has jumped on so many of these killings as "success" in the past that I just had to roll my eyes when I heard the story. Here we are, back to doing "bodycounts" to prove progress in Iraq.
 

korova, you wrote:

"Slander, eh? That's quite a serious charge you've made. Perhaps you would like to provide some evidence?"

No problem.

Starting from the top of your blog, you lead off with a quote from one of the world's best known anti-Semites -- Friedrich Nietzsche.

Lots of philosophers have urged people to open their mouths and speak up. Your opening quote doesn't stand out for its intrinsic brilliance, but it does stand out as the first hint of your ingrained anti-Semitism.

With respect to your blog, Israel is always mentioned negatively in the articles you choose to post and the comments you make.

What's more interesting is your support for ahmadinejad and your obvious acceptance of his desire to wipe Israel off the map.

Your obsession with the destruction of Israel -- which implies the deaths of most Jews living there -- is evidenced by your ridiculous defense of ahmadinejad and the precise wording of his quote about removing Israel from the face of the Earth.

Clearly you believe muslims hold some superior claim to the land that forms the sovereign nation of Israel. Obviously you know muslims and a long list of terrorist organziations have unceasingly announced their desire to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews.

Despite the obvious slaughter -- genocide -- that would occur if muslims were to control Israel, you side with them.

By the way, my original statement on this matter follows:

I wrote:

"Uh huh. That's right. The Republicans put those words in the mouth of ahmadinejad. You know, those words about developing nuclear power and simultaneously stating a desire to wipe Israel off the map."

YOu should look beyond your knee-jerk anti-Semitism and note that I did not quote ahamdinejad in my original statement, as you claimed. I merely expressed his DESIRE.

Yet you spent a lot of time hijacking the dialogue and sidestepping it into a different form.

Meanwhile, you have never answered any of my questions about what you believe ahmadinejad meant when he expressed his desire for another Holocaust and the destruction of the Israeli state.

Neither have you ever stated any opposition to the goals of muslim terrorist groups and their endlessly expressed goal of destroying Israel and killing all the Jews.

Your anti-Semitism is about as plain and evident as it gets. Why don't you try to sue me?

What are you feelings about David Irving, your fellow countryman and well known Holocaust denier? He's fallen on hard times since losing his suit. Is he sleeping at your place?
 

reality, you wrote:

"korova, you know that because you have been critical of Israeli policy in the past, that makes you a brownshirt anti-Semite. That's how it works. You have to accept everything Israel does 100% or you hate Jewish people and are a secret member of the Hitler youth."

reality, your inability to see what's in front of your face is unfortunate. Korova is a raving anti-Semite whose postings on his own blog reveal his deep hatred of Israel, his desire for its destruction and the subsequent deaths of its Jewish population.

Perhaps you are an unwitting anti-Semite, knowing next to nothing about the situation and ignoring the unambiguous words and deeds of muslims who call for the destruction of Israel and carry out murderous attacks on innocent Israeli civilians.

The muslim world is raging with anti-Semitism and a desire to kill all the Jews in Israel at the very least, and in the entire world, if possible.

If this is news to you, well, you're living on another planet.

It's one thing for Americans to suffer ignorance on this topic if they live far from New York City. But there's no excuse for anyone living in NYC to know so little about muslim goals in the middle east.
 

no_slappz, you really make this too easy.

a quote from one of the world's best known anti-Semites -- Friedrich Nietzsche.

So, we establish you know little about medicine, linguistics and now philosophy.

Nietzsche's fierce and univocal opposition to contemporary antisemitism is illustrated in various types of text, including his published writings, his intimate letters (to his sister, his mother, his close friends), his ''twilight letters'' written on the verge of madness, and his correspondence with the antisemitic agitator Fritsch who tried to recruit Nietzsche--and ''Zarathustra'' too, as Nietzsche said with disgust--into his camp.22

I shall quote a few brief examples of the first three categories. In The Genealogy of Morals, Nietzsche wrote:

They [the antisemites] are all men of ressentiment, physiologically unfortunate and worm-eaten, a whole tremulous realm of subterranean revenge, inexhaustible and insatiable in outbursts against the fortunate and happy.23

In his intimate letters he wrote:

[To Overbeck:] This accursed anti-Semitism . . . is the reason for the great rift between myself and my sister.24

[To his mother:] Because of people of these species [antisemites], I couldn't go to Paraguay [where a group led by Nietzsche's fiercely antisemitic brother-in-law had set up an experimental colony]. I am so happy that they voluntary exile themselves from Europe. For even if I shall be a bad German--I am in any event a very good European.25

[Again to his sister, several years later:] Your association with an anti-Semitic leader expresses a foreignness to my whole way of life which fills me ever again and again with ire or melancholy. . . . It is a matter of honor to me to be absolutely clean and unequivocal in relation to anti-Semitism, namely opposed, as I am in my writings. . . . My disgust with this party (which would like all too well the advantage of my name!) is as outspoken as possible . . . and that I am unable to do anything against it, that in every Anti-Semitic Correspondence Sheet the name of Zarathustra is used, has already made me almost sick several times.26



In his last, twilight letters written in frenzy before he dimmed out completely, Nietzsche included several attacks on the antisemites. To his friend Franz Overbeck and his wife he wrote:

Although so far you have demonstrated little faith in my ability to pay, I yet hope to demonstrate that I am somebody who pays his debts--for example, to you. I am just having all anti-Semites shot.
Dionysus27

And to his revered Basel mentor Jakob Burkhardt, whom Nietzsche (like many others) considered an antisemite, he addressed a mad but telling letter in which he portrayed himself as an inverted son of God, and also as Dionysus functioning as the Antichrist, ending with this postscript: ''I had Caiaphas put in chains . . . , Wilhelm Bismarck and all anti-Semites deposed.''28

The intimate texts and, especially, the twilight letters carry special hermeneutical weight, because they prove that Nietzsche's opposition to antisemitism was not merely external and ''political'' (or ''politically correct''), as with many liberals, but penetrated into the deep recesses of his being. That result might have been reinforced by Nietzsche's intense relations with antisemites: his sister, Wagner, Cosima, and perhaps also Jakob Burkhardt. These relations could have served to provide the heightened energy for overcoming his early antisemitism in the intense way he did, that is, not as liberal rationalist but with all the passion of his being--the ''Nietzschean'' way.

My quote is from Friedrich NOT Elisabeth.
 

What's more interesting is your support for ahmadinejad and your obvious acceptance of his desire to wipe Israel off the map.

Your obsession with the destruction of Israel -- which implies the deaths of most Jews living there -- is evidenced by your ridiculous defense of ahmadinejad and the precise wording of his quote about removing Israel from the face of the Earth.

My point is (again) you said he stated that (buy a dictionary). He did not. It is possible that it was implied, but it was not stated. I have never supported him. In fact, if you actually looked at my blog closely, you will now that I am a critic of Iran's repression (particularly on the internet) - hence irrepressible.org. By nature, I side with no religious groups. I am an atheist and therefore I find the beliefs of Jews, Christians and Muslims to be ridiculous.

Why do you find me criticising Israel?? My country supports Israel without question and as my democratic representatives refuse to criticise the human rights abuses documented by Israeli groups like B'Tselem, then I will have to speak up myself. Blair speaks for me, Ahmadinejad does not.

I merely expressed his DESIRE.

You did not 'express his desire', you claim that he stated it, no desired it:

"Uh huh. That's right. The Republicans put those words in the mouth of ahmadinejad. You know, those words about developing nuclear power and simultaneously stating a desire to wipe Israel off the map."

The bottom line is that your argument is deeply flawed and all you can resort to is slander. As for Irving, like most people who oppose the lie of Holocaust denial, he is scum that should rot in a cell. Thankfully, everyone in this country is rightfully embarrassed of this stain on our country.
 

"Uh huh. That's right. The Republicans put those words in the mouth of ahmadinejad. You know, those words about developing nuclear power and simultaneously stating a desire to wipe Israel off the map."

Just think, if you had just said:

'I believe he has a desire to wipe Israel off the map'

This whole argument would have ended a long time ago. That is an unarguable position. It is what you believe (and you may be right) and I cannot argue against that. By saying he stated it, you are claiming he actually said it. Which is debatable given the actual words he used (implication is very different from stated facts).
 

One other thing, I have criticised Israeli and US policy in the Middle East because it has strengthened Iran in the region as is clearly the case. I would not be so worried about Iranian dominance of the region if I supported Ahmadinejad. Do a search on my site and you will see many posts critical of the rising influence of Iran and positive about the recent election defeat for Ahlmadinejad.
 

korova, once again:

I wrote:

"...stating a desire to wipe Israel off the map."

You're sweating heavily as you try to once again change the subject.

The nutty ahmadinejad has repeatedly STATED HIS DESIRE to wipe Israel off the map. You can spend the rest of your life attempting to create a dust-storm around this unambiguous and incontestable DESIRE -- GOAL -- of ahmadinejad's. But your efforts only magnify the presence of your anti-Semitism.

Iran sends hundreds of millions of dollars to hezbollah and hamas. Thus, ahmadinejad is a leader of anti-Semites seeking the destruction of Israel and the deaths of all Jews. Yet you ceaselessly provide cover for his clearly expressed wish for a Jew-free world.

Your silly defenses of his stated desires boil down to arguing that 3+1 is not equal to 2+2.

And as for your beliefs, well, you've rather conveniently hid yourself beneath the banner of Blair in claiming that he speaks for you.

But you have a blog, which means YOU speak for yourself, either by direct commentary or by posting the comments of others who share your strained views.
 

Oh dear, the strain of your ineptitude is really getting to you. Allow me to explain. If you 'state a desire' that mean sthat you have said exactly those words:

'I have a desire to wipe Israel off the map'.

If you don't use the exact words, you have not stated it. He may HAVE a desire to wipe Israel off the map, but he does not STATE that he wants to wipe Israel off the map.

I appreciate that words and meanings are a little complicated, some people don't have the benefit of a good, solid English education. I can only put it down to the fact that the word 'state' has a different meaning in America to the UK. That is the only explanation for you not knowing the difference between stating something and implying something.

As for changing the subject, I have never swayed from the central argument. I have consistently asked you to provide evidence of where this was 'stated'. You cannot, because it has not. It may be implied, but certainly not stated.

Much like your 'evidence' that I am anti-Semitic, your belief he stated this desire is clearly a delusion. Now wipe the froth from your mouth and take your medication.
 

korova, you wrote:

"As for changing the subject, I have never swayed from the central argument."

Nice try. It's true, you've never swayed from your original digression. But the "argument" you presented was one of your own making and was only indirectly tied to my statement -- that ahmadinejad stated his DESIRE to wipe Israel from the map -- which does not mean that his desire must be expressed in the terms of your choosing.

Meanwhile, you continue to produce a smokescreen for a man who is an avowed enemy of Israel and Jews. That only enhances your reputation as an anti-Semite.

You asked:

"I have consistently asked you to provide evidence of where this was 'stated'."

Your feigned incredulousness is now laughable. The examples are too numerous to list.

What desire is ahmadinejad expressing when he states that the regime occupying Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time?
 

korova, you wrote:

"If you 'state a desire' that means that you have said exactly those words:...

and..

"If you don't use the exact words, you have not stated it."

Here's your problem. You don't know the difference between "stating" and "quoting."

Your statements relate to "quoting", but you've tried to obscure that issue by substituting "state" for "quote."

Of course all of this is a side-bar to the fact that you're trying to slip away from having identified yourself as an anti-Semite.
 

korova, you wrote:

"As for Irving, like most people who oppose the lie of Holocaust denial, he is scum that should rot in a cell."

I see. So based on the preceding sentence, you think Irving OPPOSES the lie of Holocaust denial, and for that he should rot in jail.

You added:

"Thankfully, everyone in this country is rightfully embarrassed of this stain on our country."

Oh. So you're claiming "everyone" in your country is embarrassed by the person in your country who opposes Holocaust denial.

Assuming, for a moment, that you meant something else, would you like to see Holocaust-denier ahmadinejad rot in jail?

Or would you rather postpone his incarceration until he achieves his goal of wiping Israel off the map?
 

"As for Irving, like most people who oppose the lie of Holocaust denial, he is scum that should rot in a cell."

Yes, I missed out the 'I think he is scum...'. You got me there.

Of course all of this is a side-bar to the fact that you're trying to slip away from having identified yourself as an anti-Semite.

Er, where?

Here's your problem. You don't know the difference between "stating" and "quoting."

Er, you don't know the meaning of state, as in to state something. Still.

Your feigned incredulousness is now laughable. The examples are too numerous to list.

And yet you haven't produced one, single comment. Believe me, it is you that everyone is laughing at.

I really hope you understand what a fool you are making of yourself. Read a dictionary, learn what a statement is, and then maybe we can talk. At the moment it is too easy to debunk everything you say.

I support Ahmadinejad. WRONG (as the posts I have written testify to).

Nietzsche was an Anti-Semite. WRONG.

Ahmadinejad stated that Israel should be wiped off the map. WRONG.

I am an anti-Semite. WRONG.

Still, watching you pop a blood vessel is highly entertaining. I await your frothy mouthed response with barely concealed excitement. You muppet.
 

korova, you wrote:

"Er, you don't know the meaning of state, as in to state something."

It's no surprise that Merriam-Webster agrees with me, not you.

As I said, you don't know the difference between "stating" and "quoting" or the difference between a "statement" and a "quote."

Main Entry: STATE
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): stat·ed ; stat·ing
1 : to set by regulation or authority
2 : to express the particulars of especially in words : REPORT ; broadly : to express in words

Main Entry: STATEMENT
Function: noun
Pronunciation: 'stAt-m&nt
1 : something stated: as a : a single declaration or remark : ASSERTION b : a report of facts or opinions
2 : the act or process of stating or presenting orally or on paper
3 : PROPOSITION 2a
4 : the presentation of a theme in a musical composition
5 : a summary of a financial account showing the balance due
6 : an opinion, comment, or message conveyed indirectly usually by nonverbal means

Main Entry: QUOTE
Function: verb
Pronunciation: 'kwOt also 'kOt
Inflected Form(s): quot·ed ; quot·ing
Etymology: Medieval Latin quotare to mark the number of, number references, from Latin quotus of what number or quantity, from quot how many, (as) many as; akin to Latin qui who -- more at WHO
transitive senses
1 a : to speak or write (a passage) from another usually with credit acknowledgment b : to repeat a passage from especially in substantiation or illustration
2 : to cite in illustration
3 a : to state (the current price or bid-offer spread) for a commodity, stock, or bond b : to give exact information on
4 : to set off by quotation marks
intransitive senses : to inform a hearer or reader that matter following is quoted

Main Entry: QUOTE
Function: noun
1 : QUOTATION
2 : QUOTATION MARK -- often used orally to indicate the beginning of a direct quotation

Main Entry: QUOTATION
Function: noun
Pronunciation: kwO-'tA-sh&n also kO-
1 a : the act or process of quoting b (1) : the naming or publishing of current bids and offers or prices of securities or commodities (2) : the bids, offers, or prices so named or published ; especially : the highest bid and lowest offer for a particular security in a given market at a given time
2 : something that is quoted ; especially : a passage referred to, repeated, or adduced

korova, your maneuvering, sidestepping, denials and ceaseless defense of ahmadinejad and his murderous intentions delivers as much honesty, integrity and truth as the assertion by O.J. Simpson and his attorneys that he didn't murder his ex-wife and her friend Ron Goldman.
 

Well done:

to express in words

Which he didn't. It was not expressed in words. Sadly, I will have to end this entertaining series of comments. You are quite clearly mad and I have no wish to make you look more foolish. Instead, I prefer to let your statements remain on here as testament to your stupidity. I will ignore the slurs on me regarding support for anti-Semitism and Ahmadinejad as anyone who reads my site knows that I criticise Ahlmadinejad regularly, and I have also regularly criticised Ohlmert for his corrupt government. Incidentally, that last view is shared by the Jews that I know and is expressed by the Independent Jewish Voices.

The problem with the right is an obvious one. For a long time the right have been associated with anti-Semitism due to their appeasement of Hitler during the 1930s (led by the Cliveden Set in the UK). It was the left that fought the rise of fascism in the 1930s, NOT the right (don't recall many righties joining the International Brigades). This underlying guilt now manifests itself in claims of anti-Semitism anytime that legitimate criticism of Israel is raised. I fear your guilt as a result of the past, clouds your judgement.

As for my views on Israel and the Jews, I believe that a two state solution is the only solution. Anything else is unacceptable. I know this is difficult for your tiny brain to comprehend, but I occupy a position whereby I attack Iran AND Israel. Unlike many righties (including yourself it would appear), I believe that the world isn't simply divided into GOOD and BAD. It is far more complex than that. One thing I have NEVER done is attack Jews as a community. This is because I find anti-Semitism as disgusting as racism, sexism etc. You can whine and attack me as much as you like, but you will find no evidence on my site of attacks on Jews, or support for Ahlmadinejad.
 

korova, your cowardice is just another of your unfortunate weaknesses. Lying and deceit are a couple of others.

For whatever it's worth, korova has blocked my posts from his anti-Semitic website.

He stated his desire to sue me on his website. But when I posted a message there encouraging him to take a shot at it, he ran scared and banned me from his site.

Oooohhh. He's afraid of people who disagree with him.

korova, if you want to sue me for calling you what you are -- a raging anti-Semite -- please start the process.

I know you won't make a move. The discovery phase would, as I mentioned on your site, embarrass you into silence.

You're a sissy.
 

If you're not careful no_slappz, you'll burst every blood vessel in your head!!! As far as I am concerned, I don't like fascists posting on my website. Once you can construct coherent arguments that aren't clouded in nonsense, I'll let you back on. I'm certainly not going to allow someone who makes unfounded allegations post on my website (can you point to a single anti-Semitic remark or post? No. Given that you think Nietzsche was anti-Semitic, it is quite clear you couldn't identify one if he was wearing a swastika on his arm).You have a proven record for slander and, as the person responsible for my site, I do not wish to be held responsible for your penchant for deformation.

I'm certainly not afraid, I have had many constructive arguments with right-wingers before, it is just they are usually more respectful than you. Until you behave like an adult, you will be treated as a minor.
 

korova, you wrote:

"to express in words..."

followed by:

"Which he didn't. It was not expressed in words."

"It"? His desire to wipe Israel off the map? That "it"?

Are you suggesting he used sign language to state his desire to wipe Israel off the map?

You wrote:

"I will ignore the slurs on me regarding support for anti-Semitism and Ahmadinejad as anyone who reads my site..."

Yeah, that huge readership that probably numbers about three.

Actually, you'll probably see higher traffic to your site as a result of our exchange.

You added:

"...knows that I criticise Ahlmadinejad regularly, and I have also regularly criticised Ohlmert for his corrupt government."

Oooh. The picture of Fair and Balanced.

You justified:

"Incidentally, that last view is shared by the Jews that I know and is expressed by the Independent Jewish Voices."

What a shock! Some Jews disagree with other Jews. You're on to something.

You opined:

"This underlying guilt now manifests itself in claims of anti-Semitism anytime that legitimate criticism of Israel is raised. I fear your guilt as a result of the past, clouds your judgement."

Yeah, as though you don't know every muslim nation in the world and the terrorist organizations they support seek the destruction of Israel and the genocide of Jews.

You further opined:

"As for my views on Israel and the Jews, I believe that a two state solution is the only solution."

So you say. But no muslim middle east nation agrees. As your favorite despot, ahmadinejad, says, he wants Israel wiped from the map. That's not an expression of his desire for a two-state solution.

You rambled:

"Anything else is unacceptable."

The preceding is yet another example of your dissembling. Even you know there is no willingness on the part of muslims to co-exist with Jews in the middle east. Despite this knowledge you'll support muslim deceptions -- like seeking nuclear power for peaceful purposes -- till an atomic attack is launched against Israel. Then you'll shrug your shoulders and feign amazement at having been lied to. But then it might not matter, because Israel might collapse following a nuclear attack.

You wrote:
"...but I occupy a position whereby I attack Iran AND Israel."

Another lie. You might politely suggest Iran has acted in an impolitic manner. But you rebuke the Israeli government as a corrupt regime. Yeah, that's even-handed.

You claim:

"I believe that the world isn't simply divided into GOOD and BAD."

Yeah, it's more likely you see the world as populated by various groups toward whom you have differing feelings, and you hope the groups you like least suffer at the hands of those toward whom you are more approving.

You prevaricated:

"One thing I have NEVER done is attack Jews as a community."

I see. Calling the government of Israel a corrupt regime isn't an attack on Jews as a community. You might benefit from a little self-analysis.

You're most egregious whopper:

"...but you will find no evidence on my site of attacks on Jews, or support for Ahlmadinejad."

The evidence and support merely starts with your defense of ahmadinejad's statements.

You are afraid to admit what you are.
 

I see. Calling the government of Israel a corrupt regime isn't an attack on Jews as a community. You might benefit from a little self-analysis.

No, it's what Israel's Accountant General said:

The Finance Ministry's accountant general, Yaron Zelekha, said on Monday that Israel is the most corrupt country in the West, but that most of its civil service is honest and of high quality.
(Haaretz

So I guess, by your rationale (if that's the correct word), Israel's Accountant General is a 'raging Anti-Semite'.

And so your self-deception continues ad infinitum....(which means "forever, without limit, to infinity.")