Monday, February 26, 2007

Majority of Americans Support Murtha Plan

Whattya know - a majority of Americans support the Murtha Plan, support setting a timetable for troop withdrawals from Iraq, and think the war in Iraq was a mistake. And best of all, 63% say the Bush administration can't be trusted on its handling of intelligence! So finds the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll:

With Congress preparing for renewed debate over President Bush's Iraq war policies, a majority of Americans now support setting a deadline for withdrawing U.S. forces from the war-torn nation and also support putting new conditions on the military that could limit the number of personnel available for duty there, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News Poll.

Opposition to Bush's plan to send an additional 21,500 troops to Iraq remained strong, with two in three Americans registering their disapproval -- 56 percent said they strongly object. The House recently passed a nonbinding resolution opposing the new deployments, but Republicans have successfully blocked consideration of such a measure in the Senate.


The Post-ABC poll found that 53 percent of Americans favored setting a deadline for troop withdrawals. Among those who favored a deadline, 24 percent said they would like to see U.S. forces out within six months and another 21 percent called for the withdrawals to be completed within a year. The rest of those who support a timetable said they did not favor withdrawing all troops until at least a year from now.

This is the first time a Post-ABC News poll has found a majority of Americans supported establishing such a timetable for withdrawal, which has long been resisted by the president and even some Democrats.


There was clear support for the kinds of conditions proposed by Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), who wants to establish requirements for the training and resting of military units that would have the effect of limiting the number of troops available to send to Iraq.

Murtha's plan has drawn fire in the House, including from some of his Democratic colleagues, after it was unveiled on a liberal Web site. The Post-ABC News poll, which did not associate the plan with Murtha, found that 58 percent of Americans said they support such new rules. Even some Americans, 21 percent, who supported the president's troop surge said they would favor rules for training and resting troops.


The latest poll also registered a new low on the question of whether the Iraq war was worth fighting. Just 34 percent responded that the war was worth fighting while 64 percent said it was not -- 51 percent strongly. On this question, 51 percent of military veterans and 53 percent of veteran households said they strongly believe the war was not worth fighting.


On another issue, the poll found that a majority of Americans now distrust the Bush administration on its handling of intelligence. Just 35 percent said they can trust the administration to report potential threats from other countries honestly and accurately, while 63 percent said they cannot.


Just 41 percent expressed confidence that the administration will do a good job handling current tensions with Iran, compared with 58 percent who said they were not confident.

Now if only the media would stop repeating GOP talking points about the Murtha Plan and come to realize that both the Democratic Party AND the American people want the troops adequately rested, equipped and trained before their multiple deployments into war zones.

It's the White House and the GOP apologists who don't give a shit about the troops.

That's why they've got no compunction about the multiple deployments, extended overseas duties, stop-loss measures, lack of proper armor, lack of proper medical care for many of the wounded, etc.

And yet, as this McClatchy article noted, the Bush administration and many in the GOP have no compunction wielding the "Support The Troops" mantra at the very same time they're ignoring the needs of the ordinary soldier.



You're being polite. They're criminals.
reality, you posted:

"...the Murtha Plan, support setting a timetable for troop withdrawals from Iraq, and think the war in Iraq was a mistake."

The US lost 38,000 troops in the Korean War, which lasted three years. We have about 40,000 at the border between North and South Korea today, nearly 54 years after the shooting stopped.

Tensions with North Korea have increased, and it is well understood by the US military that if North Korea launches an attack, it will result in a huge death toll in the first hours after an assault begins.

Some estimates of South Korean and US military deaths are as high as 150,000. Of course North Korea's government and military would be destroyed during the retaliation. But that won't stop the initial carnage in the south.

Why isn't Murtha simultaneously calling for a withdrawal of US military forces from the Korean peninsula?

Would he prefer to wait for the killing to start before he brings those troopers home?
Agreed, abi - hypocrites AND criminals.
Should we be in Iraq for the next 54 years policing their civil war? How Wilsonian. What other places around the world would you like to police?
reality, you asked:

"Should we be in Iraq for the next 54 years policing their civil war?"

Possibly. But definitely not out of the question.

You assessed:

"How Wilsonian."

Perhaps. But given the context, I'm not sure your knowledge of Wilson would fill more than one sentence.

You asked:

"What other places around the world would you like to police?"

As few as possible. But some are more important than others. Especially when a few small nations, by geographic accident, can twist the future of the world.

Keep this in mind:

Democracy good. Tyranny bad.
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