Friday, February 23, 2007

Vilsack Out Of 2008 Race

That didn't take long:

Former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack is announcing today that he’s dropping out of the Democratic presidential race. His campaign said Mr. Vilsack will make a major announcement at 11 a.m. in Des Moines.

Mr. Vilsack began calling supporters and other party officials early today, giving them a heads-up that he was closing his candidacy. Party officials and advisers said Mr. Vilsack had struggled to raise money this year and could not keep up with expenses needed to run a national campaign.

As Atrios noted yesterday (here and here), Vilsack was pledging to destroy Social Security.

Instead, blogofascism destroyed him! Good riddance.

Comments:
reality, yuo posted:

"As Atrios noted yesterday (here and here), Vilsack was pledging to destroy Social Security."

and

"Instead, blogofascism destroyed him! Good riddance."

As usual, the left engages in poor sleight-of-hand by claiming a potential presidential candidate wants to "destroy Social Security."

You will never find those words or that goal expressed by any presidential candidate of any party.

Nevertheless, you post those words as though they are the literal truth.

While it is the literal truth that ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel from the face of the earth, the literal truth of Repubican ideas for Social Security only go so far as to modernize an antiquated system that will run out of gas if the demographic trends of the last 50 years continue.

None of that matters, however. He was an unknown who was lost in the sauce, hopelessly anonymous beside all the well known names already out there trying to seize the public consciousness from now till election day.

It won't take long for the country to reject Obama. He'll repeat his weightless platitudes until the Hallmark Police lock him up or his wife goes berserk when he's finally asked some tough questions in an interview.

If he doesn't self-destruct soon enough, Hillary will take him out, having learned the necessary political combat skills from Bill.

Should she snag the Democratic nomination, she'll lose the election as too many Dems cross party lines to elect anyone but her.
 
You will never find those words or that goal expressed by any presidential candidate of any party.

Nevertheless, you post those words as though they are the literal truth.

 
korova, you copied:

"You will never find those words or that goal expressed by any presidential candidate of any party."

and

"Nevertheless, you post those words as though they are the literal truth."

Meanwhile, it is the literal truth that ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. And based on your apparent obsession with this fact and your desire to obscure it, your glad acceptance is evident.
 
Hey, Korova, have you noticed how it always comes back to Iran? Even the Social Security issue comes down to Iran. Apparently ahmadinejad killed Bush's Social Security privatization plan.
 
Hmmm, how long has it been, now, since Palestine was wiped off the face of the earth?
 
Meanwhile, it is the literal truth that ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
 
And based on your apparent obsession with this fact and your desire to obscure it, your glad acceptance is evident.
 
abi, you wrote:

"Hmmm, how long has it been, now, since Palestine was wiped off the face of the earth?"

There was never a nation of Palestine. It was once a region with sovereignty on the same level as the North Pole.

Nevertheless, the non-existence of Palestine has not stopped people around the world from imagining it was once one of the world's states.
 
n_s, you never fail to make me smile. ;-)

First, your strawmen - you used the terms "sovereignty" and "nation of Palestine," not me. But that "Palestine" has been recognized as a historical fact for thousands of years is undeniable - except by you.

Over the centuries it has been occupied by greeks, romans, turks, and controlled by the British, but to deny that Palestine existed is just the kind of twisted claptrap I've come to expect from you.

In 1948, the Jews carved a state for themselves out of what used to be called Palestine, based on the 1947 UN partition plan.

Today, the region contains Israel and "the occupied territories." Palestinians driven out of their homes by the 1948 war still haven't been allowed to return, in violation of a number of UN resolutions.

Israel's "settlements" in the occupied territories are another violation of UN resolutions.

In 1948, the Palestine where Jews, Arabs, and Christians all lived together, ceased to exist . Today, Palestinians are under occupation on their own land - at least, those who are lucky enough not to be refugees from their land - and Arabs in Israel don't have the same rights as Jewish citizens.

Many Arabs have the opinion that the state of Israel should not exist. You and I may not agree with that, but the argument can be made. But that is light-years away from saying the people of Israel should not exist.

Yet that is the implication that you and hatemongers like you knowlingly make when you mouth the mantra about those who "want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth."

Keep fueling the fires of hate, n_s, and there'll never be peace.
 
abi, you wrote:

"First, your strawmen - you used the terms "sovereignty" and "nation of Palestine," not me.

We all know where the North and South Poles are. But they are not nations. They lack sovereignty.

You wrote:

"But that "Palestine" has been recognized as a historical fact for thousands of years is undeniable - except by you."

As I stated, it's a region. We all know where it is. But it has never been a sovereign nation. Prior to the British Mandate of Palestine, the variously defined region was part of the Ottoman Empire, which was destroyed in World War I.

You wrote:

"Over the centuries it has been occupied by greeks, romans, turks, and controlled by the British, but to deny that Palestine existed is just the kind of twisted claptrap I've come to expect from you."

As I said, and you have unwittingly agreed, Palestine is not and never has been a nation. It has been nothing more than a region in the middle east, and its boundaries were never defined.

It was located between the French Mandate of Syria, the British Mandate of Iraq, Arabia and Egypt. But everyone of those subsequent states were mapped by the British and French.

You wrote:

"In 1948, the Jews carved a state for themselves..."

Wrong. The Jews did not control the decisions. The British, the French, the Italians and the US held all the cards.

You wrote:

"...out of what used to be called Palestine, based on the 1947 UN partition plan."

The 1947 UN partition plan divided PART of the British Mandate of Palestine into two states, one Jewish, the other muslim.

Guess what? Will it shock you to learn that the muslims in the neighboring states opposed the plan? They scuttled the two-state plan BEFORE Israel became an sovereign nation. That's the brilliant muslim mind at work.

You wrote:

"Today, the region contains Israel and "the occupied territories.""

Yeah, the Irish have the same complaint about the British. Meanwhile, not long ago Yugoslavia broke itself into three new SOVEREIGN nations to settle 500 years of ethnic hatred.

The break-up seems to be working, and it even includes a muslim region. Of course the likelihood of success is increased because the muslims do not constitute a towering majority in that area.

You wrote:

"Palestinians driven out of their homes by the 1948 war still haven't been allowed to return, in violation of a number of UN resolutions."

About 500,000 so-called palestinians were displaced b y the formation of Israel. Some were fleeing the fighting voluntairy and some were forced out.

What's interesting about your concern for the "occupied territories" is the fact that people are displaced by conflict all the time.

Millions of Africans run from various militants their entire lives. But this reality only seems to get under your skin when it involves Jews and muslims.

Japan committed horrendous atrocities against the Chinese and the Koreans in the 20th century. Huge numbers of refugees were on the run from Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam. I'll bet you haven't given the MILLIONS of refugees from those countries as much thought as you've given a much smaller number of so-called palestinians, who were offered their own state at the time of Israel's formation.

You blabbed on:

"Israel's "settlements" in the occupied territories are another violation of UN resolutions."

Israel was attacked the day it became a nation and it has had to fight its muslim neighbors in a couple of other wars since then. Seizing territory is part of war and given the goals of the muslims, it's a good idea to control as much territory as possible to buffer Israel against the next invasion.

You rambled on:

"In 1948, the Palestine where Jews, Arabs, and Christians all lived together, ceased to exist."

Once again, a sovereign nation that never existed cannot cease to exist. The name of Palestine has Biblical roots and you can check the latest editions of the Bible and you will see the REGION retains its Biblical name, despite the changes in control.

You wrote:

"Today, Palestinians are under occupation on their own land..."

What defines the land as "theirs?" As you seem to know, the region was populated by Jews, Christians and muslims. But in your view it appears ALL the land must have belonged to muslims, even though the UN handed over a portion of the region of Palestine to become the state of Israel. This wasn't a secret plan hatched and implemented in the middle of the night.

You gabbled:

:...at least, those who are lucky enough not to be refugees from their land..."

The muslims rejected the establishment of their own state in the region of Palestine 60 years ago. Rather stupid, don't you think. I think it's pretty clear their goal is to rid the region of Jews.

You rambled:

"...and Arabs in Israel don't have the same rights as Jewish citizens."

That's right. They are not required to serve in the military like all Israeli Jews.

Is that what you meant?

By the way, are you aware of the fact that all the Jews who lived in what became the muslim nations of the middle east were run out since Israel was formed?

There were over a million Jews living in the muslim nations of the middle east in 1948. But those theocracies enacted punitive discrimitory laws that drove ALL the Jews out.

It's interesting that you see the conflict as a one-sided affair, with only Jews displacing muslims, rather than recognizing that muslim states legislated and advocated anti-Jewish and anti-Christian hostility.

You opined:

"Many Arabs have the opinion that the state of Israel should not exist. You and I may not agree with that, but the argument can be made. But that is light-years away from saying the people of Israel should not exist."

Apparently you have no idea that hamas and hezbollah are both dedicated to destroying the state of Israel and killing all the Jews. They don't make a secret of this desire. And ahmadinejad has repeatedly stated and supported this sentiment.

Moreover, the muslims fully understand that if the "Right of Return" is granted to ALL the so-called palestinians who claim it, about 5 million muslims would pile into Israel.

In other words, they would form a voting bloc of 5 million new muslim voters added to the 1.5 million muslim voters already living in Israel. They would then constitute a voting majority.

Guess what they would do then? Israel would suddenly look like the Gaza Strip, with hamas suddenly voted into power in Israel. Then the killing would start.

You ended:

"Yet that is the implication that you and hatemongers like you knowlingly make when you mouth the mantra about those who "want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth."

If you don't know that muslims want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, you are either willfully ignorant or just simply ignorant.
 
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